Prosecution Expert Witness Dominic Dwyer’s Testimony

Dominic Dwyer’s testimony is at aras.ab.ca/articles/legal/Dwyer-Transcript.pdf. His recall testimony is at aras.ab.ca/articles/legal/Dwyer-Second.pdf.

Is it your understanding that the real difference between you and the Perth group is this question of isolation? their position is you have to isolate the virus, and you have to use a purified virus from the very beginning, whereas, as I understand you, you’re saying “No that’s not necessary”.

Look I’ve got a number of differences from what the Perth Group say, one of which is isolation and what they say is necessary to this this term of purification and so on. from my perspective, and I think this is the common perspective, there are tried and true methods of virus isolation and those methods were developed from the original work done in 1983 by Montagnier’s group, and then Gallo’s group [our emphasis] and all the others, so that now – and all that follows a process that we do for virus isolation of any description for any virus, and the way that that is all done, I think is perfectly appropriate and correct in identifying HIV.

In those tried and true methods can you refer me to any paper that explains exactly how you remove all the cellular debris so that you are looking at the virus itself and there can’t be any mistake about it?

There is no need to remove all the cellular debris anyway to see whether the virus is present or not…

Yesterday you heard Dr. Dax talking about what happened in 1985 in relation to virus isolation and she said that the trouble was in the cellular preparations there were a lot of other proteins and the virus is not isolated. Do you remember that evidence?

I remember that sort of discussion yes.

Isn’t that what I’m just putting to you now; that the problem with saying you have got a virus is if you have got cellular proteins already mixed in there you can’t say it is a virus?

Sure you can. There may be cellular protein – you can say that there is a virus there and there are cellular proteins there, and there are dead cells and living cells and all sorts of things, but you can certainly say there is a virus there.